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holnurseSat Jul-24-04 05:57 AM
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#48, "Public Forum Topics"


          

I've been disappointed as a beginner to PW that there have not been any new posts or topics to read or respond to. Have the Public Forums collapsed because no one is responding or posting new topics? Is anyone interested in getting Public Forum Topics started again?

Namaste'
Linda Lander

  

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RE: Public Forum Topics, dbelt, Aug 07th 2004, #1
RE: Public Forum Topics, Toby, Aug 10th 2004, #3
      RE: Public Forum Topics, dbelt, Aug 11th 2004, #4
RE: Public Forum Topics, Toby, Aug 10th 2004, #2
RE: Public Forum Topics, lswan, Aug 17th 2004, #5
      RE: Public Forum Topics, Toby, Aug 17th 2004, #6
           RE: Public Forum Topics, jean, Aug 19th 2004, #7
           RE: Public Forum Topics, dbelt, Aug 19th 2004, #8
           RE: Public Forum Topics, Toby, Aug 19th 2004, #9
           RE: Public Forum Topics, jean, Aug 19th 2004, #10
           RE: Public Forum Topics, patrickj, Nov 17th 2004, #11
                RE: Public Forum Topics, Toby, Nov 21st 2004, #12
                     RE: Public Forum Topics, patrickj, Nov 23rd 2004, #13
                          RE: Public Forum Topics, Toby, Nov 24th 2004, #14

dbeltSat Aug-07-04 02:24 AM
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#49, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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I'm new too, Linda. And I'd love to talk! How are you finding the writing process?

I find that the more often I write, the more easily I am able to reach almost a dream state -- or maybe more accurately, the feeling I have when I'm trying to quickly capture a dream after I wake up. I enter into the present tense and suspend judgment, and let my pen move across the paper.

The amazing thing is how by reading my words, I find out what I think!

Donna Belt

  

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TobyTue Aug-10-04 10:51 AM
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#51, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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Donna, I think it was the British novelist, E.M. Forster who said something to the effect of how can I know what I think until I see what I've written? . . . Any thoughts of the Write as a kind of conscious dreaming?

  

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dbeltWed Aug-11-04 12:39 AM
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#52, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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Hi, Toby and Linda and anyone else tuning in. I definitely see Writes as a form of written meditation. On my best days, I do reach a kind of dream state. The wonder is having a record of where I went in my awareness.

On other days when I might be caught up in the daily routine, I'm able to access that other larger, more eternal world by reading past Writes, and I sigh. Can I have what SHE had for breakfast?

Donna Belt

  

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TobyTue Aug-10-04 10:46 AM
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#50, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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Linda,

Maybe if I just talk up the public form, we'll get some action. When there was a lot of posts, they had to do with, as I recall, themes such as the role of the artist, the hunger for community, the possibiity of an online PW community, the matter of forgiveness; the nature of faith. Let's see what we can do. Toby

  

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inactive user iconlswan (inactive user)Tue Aug-17-04 02:08 PM
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#55, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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Hi Toby, Linda and Donna—I am new to the public forum. Yes, yes, and more positive affirmations of everything said thus far !! (August, 2004) I would love to see a rousing community of those learning PW and learning to express the almost (sometimes!) dream-like state of PW. I like the idea of PW as a form of conscious dreaming. Needless to say, Writes were difficult for me. But back to "conscious dreaming"—somtimes I felt like I tapped into a much larger dream of the whole human mind or consciousness. Like it was more than "my" dream, but a piece or fabric of much larger proportions than I would ever realize in this life. Sulena

Also, do people really vanish? Physically, yes, but sometimes someone becomes more present to us AFTER they have "vanished." The gifts we have been given seem to expand geometrically often in the stillness and absence of a person so badly needed in our sojourn on planet earth. Granted, we may or may not miss them!

  

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TobyTue Aug-17-04 02:38 PM
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#56, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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/what makes having Writes, regularly, difficult?

Maybe the question is: what do I/we mean by vanishing.

What did we all think as babies when we played "Peek-a-Boo"?

  

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jeanThu Aug-19-04 03:31 AM
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#57, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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I'm enthused about the revival of the public forum, as I've been practicing PW alone during a long moneyless period. I'm interested in Toby's question about what makes Writing regularly difficult, and want to take a stab at responding, but for now just some random thoughts on "vanishing."

The word "vanish," its frequent appearance in the idiom "vanished into thin air" says something about how it might differ in usage from, say, "disappear." Swish, a brandish, astonished, a magic trick, something almost supernatural and dramatic about "vanishing." How did it happen? Whatever vanishes seems to be not just gone but nowhere? (Do we always use it in the third person?)

For me, too, it carries with it a sense of "as if it/he/she never existed." How could someone be part of my life and now not be? When my parents retired from Maryland to Oregon, I felt they had vanished even though I live in upstate New York. It did feel like a move in a game (to get back to Toby's original hypothesis), a trump, putting an end to a game they no longer wanted to play (with us). Maybe they felt they couldn't win.

But it's usually when someone pops back into my life, as D1ckens characters tend to pop up again 100 pages later, when you've forgotten about them, that I am aware of their having vanished.

Peek-a-boo...frightens/delights when I'm too young to know something hasn't really vanished just because it's hidden? I imagine I would have enjoyed seeing something or some face there again--that disappearing would make the appearance more vivid, refreshed. It makes the thing "pop," to use current lingo. Does artistic representation have this effect sometimes?

Jean

  

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dbeltThu Aug-19-04 03:59 AM
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#58, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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Hello, Jean. How fun this is! It's like being at a slumber party with strangers, where disembodied voices come out of the night to inspire me with a sense of wonder. I hear the longing for company in your voice and Linda's which we all experience from time to time when we feel like we're the only ones awake.

I'd like to respond to the question of why Writes are difficult. They are difficult for the same reason it's stressful to get up and dance when you and your partner are the only ones on the floor. There's something about facing a blank sheet of paper which calls for some sort of performance.

But the answer to both situations is to surrender to the music. Let the voice in your mind lull you, so that it is only for you to follow. You don't have to know the steps or the answers. Only the questions.

The other stumbling block is of course, time. How do you fit the minutes in for musing when the wash needs to get done and the boss has moved up the deadline? I've found that even though I resist sometimes, I'm always glad when I've put my writing at the top of the list. That comes under the heading of putting on your own mask first, before helping others. If you do that, it's amazing how much more effective you are at working down the page of other obligations.

Keeping talking, everyone. I love slumber parties.
Donna

  

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TobyThu Aug-19-04 07:53 AM
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#59, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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I like Jean's notion that when people pop up in our lives, after many years perhaps, we then notice a vanishing has occurred. We remember. What about the play of memory in the phenomena of vanishing? Out of sight, out of mind? . . . . Glad also to see this forum site coming to life again. Mention it to a pal. Many conversations are possible.

  

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jeanThu Aug-19-04 11:37 AM
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I can't tell if Toby meant to post the question about the difficulty of regularity of Writes or not. I like Donna's analogy of being the first couple on the dance floor.

I can only say that what often sets me free in a Write is remembering that I am or can be the only listener. (Dancing with myself?) Often I have to write a sentence saying that. It's hard to remember what I mean by that, or why it means so much to me, when I'm not actually in the midst of a Write.

Maybe also, it's a struggle every time for me to believe there's anything in there that I don't know already, that doesn't bore me silly, irritate me, or strike me as shallow.

  

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patrickjWed Nov-17-04 02:50 AM
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#86, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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Regular writes: could there really be any MORE in "there?" and the days when indeed it appears from the write that there isn't anything in "there." And the unwelcome knowledge that it's always a cliff to jump off. A cloud of unknowing. A loss of control. J

  

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TobySun Nov-21-04 02:48 PM
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and after the loss of control . . .

  

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patrickjTue Nov-23-04 03:11 AM
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#93, "RE: Public Forum Topics"
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Oh, yeah...that bit of nirvana.
Why does it always slip my mind? Or I slip-slide back down the mountain which then obscures where I was. Slippery as they are, mountains of fear are, nevertheless, a drag. Prefer a desert. J

  

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TobyWed Nov-24-04 09:44 AM
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Regarding that desert, check out "Sonora Wasteland" by Mary (Hermitess) on Nov. 17.

  

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