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patrickjFri Nov-19-04 04:11 AM
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How can I be more present to myself with others, is my question. When being present to myself is such a chore. I mean a full time job. I doubt I'll ever do enough writes to accomplish that. Being present to myself, would BE being present to others, wouldn't it?

I tried, for many years, living in a rural setting more isolated from others, but I eventually realized that, for me, "nature" is not enough to come up against in order to become present to myself (now it's a place to occasionally recover from the stings and arrows). Ergo, others are necessary--but how f..... painful, how wrenching it is to come up against myself with them. And if it's a situation where I'm coming up against myself with others around work I am trying to do, how much more so--though it occurs to me now, at least around the work, that task could be, ultimately, a less trying way to go, because the work is something I can grasp, less slippery, than who-I-am-with-you. The work is a "thing" to work with, that maybe it's possible (though not at all easy) to distinquish from my self? A way to consciousness, without what seems to always become major psychic surgery of self-inspection--or is it self-meddling? No wonder I'm so testy.

I had a lot of dreams about hiding last night (vanishing?), then this forum opportunity presented itself......

Joan

ps this seemed a bit like having a mini-write 'on the air,' and I wonder worry about using the forum this way....

  

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Vanishing [View all] , Toby, Thu Aug-12-04 05:56 AM
  RE: Vanishing, Toby, Aug 12th 2004, #1
RE: Vanishing, dbelt, Aug 26th 2004, #2
RE: Vanishing, PThompson, Aug 26th 2004, #3
RE: Vanishing, Toby, Sep 03rd 2004, #4
RE: Vanishing, janns411, Nov 15th 2004, #5
RE: Vanishing, patrickj, Nov 16th 2004, #6
RE: Vanishing, Toby, Nov 16th 2004, #7
RE: Vanishing, jean, Nov 18th 2004, #8
RE: Vanishing, Toby, Nov 21st 2004, #11
RE: Vanishing, Hermitess, Nov 18th 2004, #9
RE: Vanishing, patrickj, Nov 19th 2004 #10
RE: Vanishing, Una, Nov 23rd 2004, #12
RE: Vanishing, Toby, Nov 24th 2004, #13
      RE: Vanishing, Una, Nov 27th 2004, #14
           RE: Vanishing, Toby, Nov 27th 2004, #15
                RE: Vanishing, Lara, Nov 30th 2004, #16
                     RE: Vanishing, patrickj, Dec 01st 2004, #17
                          RE: Vanishing, jean, Dec 02nd 2004, #18
                               RE: Vanishing, jean, Dec 02nd 2004, #19
                                    RE: Vanishing, Toby, Jan 04th 2005, #20
RE: Vanishing, Sheila, Apr 07th 2005, #21
RE: Vanishing, Toby, Apr 09th 2005, #22
      RE: Vanishing, Sheila, Apr 09th 2005, #23
           RE: Vanishing, Toby, Apr 10th 2005, #24
                RE: Vanishing, Sheila, Apr 10th 2005, #25
                     RE: Vanishing, Toby, Apr 11th 2005, #26
                          RE: Vanishing, Sheila, Apr 11th 2005, #27

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